INTERVIEW
SRPING 2025
You have said that the illusion in this dimension is due to our thinking that form is all there is, when there is so much more to our reality. But saying the world of form is an illusion isn’t saying suffering isn’t real, is it? Denying the suffering of others as an illusion seems like a form of spiritual bypassing.
One of the things that you want to remember—and it’s going to sound as though I’m joking about this, but I’m really not—is that bypassing, spiritual or otherwise, is one of the survival mechanisms you’ve learned for functioning in this world, because there are so many things that can push you forward or hold you back every day in your life, and you are always having to decide what is your personal next step.
So what is illusion, in the context of my reminding you that the world itself is an illusion? What is a dream?
It can be a lot of different things. it’s a journey out of form. It can be working through stuff that you didn’t work through during the day. It can be a teaching mechanism. It can be communication with Spirit.
Do animals dream?
Yes.
And plants and trees, do they dream?
That I don’t know. [Samuel nods his head to prompt the answer] Yes, they do.
So, while a dream can be all of those things, what are the mechanics of a dream? Ultimately, you’re going to have to say “I really don’t know. It seems to be something that the brain does in order to access the world in different ways, maybe.”
And that’s about as good a definition of illusion as I can give you. But instead of the brain being a part of this personality, it’s a part of the Greater Plan your Entity has created.
There was a film sometime back, Matrix, maybe, in which everybody in the world was put into a dream state, and their whole life and everything that went on in their life was a dream, while the reality was that great machines were keeping their bodies alive in vats to use their chemicals, or something like that. If you want to use that kind of illustration, you’re going to be creating a binary situation in which the overlords and the machines are bad and the humans are good. But it’s not like that, except in the sense that there is a mission with a thousand different components; characters that you’ve worked out a compact with, characters that are just passing by, situations that will very likely shake you up, wake you up, might even break you up, are put into that program. And the Entity runs that program on a sub-level, and the personality thinks that is reality.
Is it large-E Entity or small-E? Or both.
Both, but the origin is the large-E.
Illusion requires form. Form needs a point, a goal, a purpose. A single cell will simply divide and mutate without viable changes if it only has a goal. It’s the illusion that puts color into the purpose. The illusion immerses you and moves you out of being a pure observer, until you develop to the point that you can become the observer by choice.
It sounds like the illusion is all of the possibilities.
I can see this functioning on multiple levels, but that doesn’t negate the potential for the personality to have suffering.
Absolutely.
How are these two things, being an observer and accepting that all is an illusion, connected?
Observing is a two-level thing. One of them is a representation of your spiritual evolution through the illusion of form. The other one is the natural state of the Entity, watching the means through which the entity is spiritually evolving. So the big-E Entity observes the little-e entity, and that entity observes the personality, and the personality reaches a point that it becomes able to observe itself, which is a massive leap in growth. So observing and illusion are very different, but each requires the other.


Samuel says he only reminds us of what we already know, but the tools and insight he has provided over the years have been invaluable to me. The hugest gift I’ve received from Samuel is the reminder that I am not here to be the world’s greatest actor/artist/writer/fill-in-the-blank; I’m not here to be the next Martin Luther King, Jr. or Mother Theresa. I am here to be Source in form, so that no matter what I’m doing, no matter how long or short my to-accomplish list, I have value here. I am adding to the Greater Good by living the Love that I Am. That means, if my acting career finds me waiting tables (as it often has), I still go to work smiling because I know I am touching hearts, as I compacted to do. Every moment is sacred.

Participating in Samuel’s work over the last 20 years has been the most transformative experience of my life. It’s been the perfect method for me to discover, develop and be the best of what I am. I’ve gained the tools necessary for effective leadership, healthy relationships and emotional well-being. I’ve always been able to depend on getting pushed to the next level when I get too comfortable within my understanding of things, which has challenged me in all the right ways to expand my consciousness. I continue to participate in the work, because it gives me an outlet for my loving service and I get to use that service to fulfill my destiny.

Samuel has inspired me to explore many aspects of this beautiful life. Though he would say he simply reminds us what we already know, I know his teachings to be wise, resonant with my heart, making brilliant sense, and bringing truly remarkable results!