You have said that the illusion in this dimension is due to our thinking that form is all there is, when there is so much more to our reality. But saying the world of form is an illusion isn’t saying suffering isn’t real, is it? Denying the suffering of others as an illusion seems like a form of spiritual bypassing.
One of the things that you want to remember—and it’s going to sound as though I’m joking about this, but I’m really not—is that bypassing, spiritual or otherwise, is one of the survival mechanisms you’ve learned for functioning in this world, because there are so many things that can push you forward or hold you back every day in your life, and you are always having to decide what is your personal next step.
So what is illusion, in the context of my reminding you that the world itself is an illusion? What is a dream?
It can be a lot of different things. it’s a journey out of form. It can be working through stuff that you didn’t work through during the day. It can be a teaching mechanism. It can be communication with Spirit.
Do animals dream?
Yes.
And plants and trees, do they dream?
That I don’t know. [Samuel nods his head to prompt the answer] Yes, they do.
So, while a dream can be all of those things, what are the mechanics of a dream? Ultimately, you’re going to have to say “I really don’t know. It seems to be something that the brain does in order to access the world in different ways, maybe.”
And that’s about as good a definition of illusion as I can give you. But instead of the brain being a part of this personality, it’s a part of the Greater Plan your Entity has created.
There was a film sometime back, Matrix, maybe, in which everybody in the world was put into a dream state, and their whole life and everything that went on in their life was a dream, while the reality was that great machines were keeping their bodies alive in vats to use their chemicals, or something like that. If you want to use that kind of illustration, you’re going to be creating a binary situation in which the overlords and the machines are bad and the humans are good. But it’s not like that, except in the sense that there is a mission with a thousand different components; characters that you’ve worked out a compact with, characters that are just passing by, situations that will very likely shake you up, wake you up, might even break you up, are put into that program. And the Entity runs that program on a sub-level, and the personality thinks that is reality.
Is it large-E Entity or small-E? Or both.
Both, but the origin is the large-E.
Illusion requires form. Form needs a point, a goal, a purpose. A single cell will simply divide and mutate without viable changes if it only has a goal. It’s the illusion that puts color into the purpose. The illusion immerses you and moves you out of being a pure observer, until you develop to the point that you can become the observer by choice.
It sounds like the illusion is all of the possibilities.
I can see this functioning on multiple levels, but that doesn’t negate the potential for the personality to have suffering.
Absolutely.
How are these two things, being an observer and accepting that all is an illusion, connected?
Observing is a two-level thing. One of them is a representation of your spiritual evolution through the illusion of form. The other one is the natural state of the Entity, watching the means through which the entity is spiritually evolving. So the big-E Entity observes the little-e entity, and that entity observes the personality, and the personality reaches a point that it becomes able to observe itself, which is a massive leap in growth. So observing and illusion are very different, but each requires the other.
Is that unique to humans, or do non-human animals have the ability to observe?
On a certain level, all of form observes and is observed, but the enhanced ability to have it as a process of spiritual growth, for the most part, is limited to humans, because it requires individuation to be able to self-observe, and individuation is not a necessary step for all of the kingdoms.
If we know intellectually that the world of form is an illusion, why do we continue to buy into it?
You did not grow up being taught that it’s an illusion, and no matter your age—it could be years after you were born; it doesn’t matter—you will always fall back on what you took to heart from the messages you received growing up. Now, quickly let me insert there: “What you took to heart” does not mean every message you ever got. Remember that.
Do you know what confirmation bias is? You won’t see a thing until you believe in it, and, because you believe in it, you’re going to keep seeing it. That’s why you don’t let yourself realize it’s an illusion until you’re 15 or 20 or 30 and you’ve got your hands on some really good plant medicine and you’re having “really heavy conversations, man” around the fire, and somebody says they’ve read this great book, or philosopher, or had this really deep thought that maybe this is all an illusion. That little seed gets planted in your head, and maybe it’s going to take a few months—maybe it’s going to take a few decades—before you allow yourself to reach that place that you can say, I’m going to really look at this. And at that point you start seeing the glitches in the programming. You start becoming aware of the things that seem a little off. Well, at first you call it deja vu or coincidence, or “that was weird.” But eventually you open your mind to that long-ago seed that said, “Hey, dude, this is an illusion,” and it opens you up to checking into it and learning more about it.
I actually think right now it’s kind of a toss-up between quantum science and New Age theories, because there is plenty of stuff out there that talks about this maybe being an illusion. And it is.
Does this journey of separating from Source and going back to Source require us to overcome the illusion, or does the illusion give us experiences that we bring back to Source?
You’re on the mothership, right? You’re out in space. You’re fifteen miles up—maybe you’re fifty light years away—and you’re looking at that pretty little planet, Earth. And what do you see? It’s a pretty place. It obviously has some level of oxygen. It has weather. Those could perhaps be land masses. But the closer you get, the more definition shows up. You go from seeing continents to seeing areas of population. And if you get right down to it, you see everything that was an illusion at every earlier step. Up in the mothership, it’s an illusion that there are countries and provinces and states and cities and neighborhoods and individual houses. From the individual house, it’s an illusion that there is a mother-ship fifty-five light years away thinking that it knows what that beautiful planet is. It’s all illusion.
It seems that being attached to the illusion and believing it is real is what causes us problems.
It’s also what creates all the good things that go on in your life. Belief in the illusion allows you to be here now, so try not to fall into the trap of thinking that you are in a “bad” reality, because illusion can be good.
How close is science to understanding the illusory nature of form?
Science already knows the illusory nature of form. It already knows it—that’s how close. Science recognizes that everything in this dimension is a frequency of light. Science recognizes that as the foundation. If everything is frequency or energy, of course, the idea of solid force is going to be either unnecessary or fully ridiculous, because frequency is not a solid force. And your science is recognizing that fact almost up to a biological level, but it’s recognizing it absolutely on what used to be called the atomic level, and what now is the quantum level. And that’s very much becoming a matter of “pay attention to the space between.” Don’t focus on the frequency itself. Focus on where there is not frequency. Learn to define that, and you can move into higher states of knowing. So, I would say the answer to that question is, science is already there, because, within the last couple of hundred years, massive leaps have been totally reshuffling the understanding of how particles work and what is the force behind them.
I could go off on that one. Another time.
Okay. We have another topic we’d like to explore.
Your likening of the current abuses of power in the U.S. and elsewhere to the downfall of Atlantis suggests that we might be following the same path. What did the end of Atlantis look like to the people of Atlantis, a gradual decline or an abrupt catastrophe?
Both. It was a long, slow decline that ended up in catastrophe. I’m going to be trite: History really does repeat itself, and human nature functions in cycles. You start with one cycle, and the next one is a little bigger or more extreme, and the next one is a little more, but they always refer back to the cycle before.
In a way, you can think of it as genetic. Your cousin has a baby that looks like no one else in the family, until somebody looks at their great-great-great-great-great forebear, and the child looks just like them. The way that power is being abused in your world right now is the way power has been abused before. And before that. There may be a slightly different kind of abuse or focus on it, but it’s still as destructive as it was in Atlantis, and even before that.
The best way to destroy a society is a little bit at a time. A little bit of change, and then you normalize it. A little bit more, and you act like it’s no big deal. You laugh or make fun of and bully the people who believe otherwise, and then you go a little bit further, and it’s not even noticed. Then you can take it up a level. And then you start again a little bit at a time. With the exception of conquering by force, destroying from within is the way to go. And that’s very much what you’re seeing right now in much of the US, Europe, parts of Africa, south Asia, across your world.
So why, or how, did humanity at a spiritual level fail so badly to grow from that experience in Atlantis?
Did they fail?
We seem to be doing it again.
And will continue to do it again and again. Abuse of power is a function of fear, and as long as the world was built on a foundation of fear, there was going to be abuse of power over and over and over. You are in a very remarkable lifetime right now in which you are literally seeing the changeover from fear-based function to the opportunity for love-based function. So fear-based function is doing every trick in the book, so to speak, to try to hold on to its power.
Can we really do over the mistakes that were made and do it better?
You can make the mistakes better. And you can learn the lessons better.
But where does it stop? In the U.S., conservatives are against the progressives and progressives don’t like the conservatives in what seems like a never-ending cycle of good-bad and right-wrong thinking. How do you stop that?
Certainly, it seems never-ending, doesn’t it? And you know what makes massive change? Bringing out the guillotine and standing up against the rulers as a united people no longer willing to take those abuses or live within a society that accepts those abuses. You choose to either create or live with those abuses, but it’s the society you’re choosing to live in.
Can the guillotine be like boycotts of certain businesses, rather than violence?
It takes both. You must decide.
